If the president's goal is to shut down an investigation, he would literally have to fire everyone in the Department of Justice and the FBI to accomplish that. Second, I don't see firing Rod Rosenstein or Robert Mueller, frankly, as effective. And so he will do whatever he can within the law to make sure that those values are protected. Robert Mueller is an institutionalist who cares deeply about the institution, the rule of law and the values at the heart of the Justice Department. Maybe I'll give you two answers, first, about Bob Mueller. GROSS: If Robert Mueller is fired or if Rod Rosenstein is fired, and Rosenstein's replacement tries to limit the scope of the investigation or cover up any of its findings or just kind of hide its findings in a drawer someplace, what do you feel is his constitutional responsibility or your constitutional responsibility to say what you know if you feel information has been covered up? And I know you can't speak for Mueller, but maybe you have a sense of what his options would be, in the sense that I think there are people who are concerned that if the president tries to stop the investigation, what happens to all of the information that has been compiled?ĬOMEY: That's a good question, and hard to answer in the abstract. And that people ought to look above their fights about policy and realize this presidency threatens something very fundamental that is above partisanship and hope, by talking about it, to energize people to focus on that and rise above the normal policy fights. Really that's all America is, is a collection of ideas. And, I think, to remind people that there is something in this country that we actually all have in common, as ferocious as our disputes can be about guns or about taxes or about immigration.
Do you see that as your role, to sound the alarm?ĬOMEY: I think so. GROSS: It sounds to me like you are trying to sound the alarm.
We are fortunate some ethical leaders have chosen to serve and to stay at senior levels of government, but they cannot prevent all of the damage from the forest fire that is the Trump presidency. His leadership is transactional, ego-driven and about personal loyalty. This president is unethical and untethered to truth and institutional values. We all bear responsibility for the deeply flawed choices put before voters during the 2016 election, and our country is paying a high price. (Reading) Donald Trump's presidency threatens much of what is good in this nation. I want you to read a paragraph from the epilogue of your book. There's lots to talk about so let's get to it. Eight days later, Robert Mueller, who had preceded Comey as FBI director, was appointed special counsel to investigate connections between Russia and the Trump campaign.
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Comey learned he was fired when he saw it on a news report on a TV screen while he was in the FBI's LA field office. But last year, on May 9, President Trump fired Comey, who was leading the FBI's investigation into Russian interference in the election and ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. That would have theoretically taken him to 2023. FBI directors are appointed for 10 years to insulate them from political pressure. His new memoir, "A Higher Loyalty," was published today.Ĭomey was appointed by President Obama in 2013. I recorded an interview with former FBI Director James Comey yesterday, and we're about to hear it.
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